Honey cones> risk versus food, antibiotics and cold resistant

[hemmo 55]

Honeycones, to be found near open spaces in dense wooded area's.

 

Need to make a fire to be able to extract honey out of it safely > no fire = 60% swarm chance = 80% death chance

 

Honey uses: Food, antibiotics, tetyril antibiotics, rag disinfection, 20% medium food poison cure chance

[S3V3N 1402]

I covered that topic some weeks ago. But I still think it is a good suggestion. First, the clothes needs proper stats though. Fireman clothes and Riders Jacket get ruined in one hit, while my Jacket seems to stay infinitely pristine. Leather clothes aren't waterproof, etc. Lot to do there, first. Here is the topic I made for Beeswax. Pretty interesting responses!

 

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/221795-honeycombs-food-and-beeswax/?hl=honey

Edited April 24, 2015 by S3V3N

[IkaikaKekai 1957]

I'm a beekeeper.  I don't use a suit and only got stung once so far (from a half dead bee so I don't count it).  Smoke, not so much fire, is very important for me to do that without a suit.  In fact I have to regularly stuff green leaves and damp vegetation into the smoker to keep the smoke cool.

[BeefBacon 1185]

I'm a beekeeper.  I don't use a suit and only got stung once so far (from a half dead bee so I don't count it).  Smoke, not so much fire, is very important for me to do that without a suit.  In fact I have to regularly stuff green leaves and damp vegetation into the smoker to keep the smoke cool.

 

Brave. My dad uses at least a hood thing (I forget the name). He puffs up like mad when he gets stung. Was half-blinded at one point when he got stung on his eyebrow.

 

Of course making a fire is probably the best way to make smoke. You know what they say. Makes sense to use a feature that already exists in-game. Perhaps it could be possible to find or craft the puffy puffy smokey things which, as far as I'm aware, is the official name used by the BBKA.

 

But yes, getting antibiotics and (to a lesser extent) food from honey would be excellent. Antibiotics found in hospitals and such should, of course, be better but I think just about everything should have a natural counterpart of some sort; promoting a playstyle that encourages minimal dependence on looting towns.

[IkaikaKekai 1957]

Brave. My dad uses at least a hood thing (I forget the name). He puffs up like mad when he gets stung. Was half-blinded at one point when he got stung on his eyebrow.

 

Of course making a fire is probably the best way to make smoke. You know what they say. Makes sense to use a feature that already exists in-game. Perhaps it could be possible to find or craft the puffy puffy smokey things which, as far as I'm aware, is the official name used by the BBKA.

 

But yes, getting antibiotics and (to a lesser extent) food from honey would be excellent. Antibiotics found in hospitals and such should, of course, be better but I think just about everything should have a natural counterpart of some sort; promoting a playstyle that encourages minimal dependence on looting towns.

You know what I meant :P

Sounds like he has an allergy, but even with a full suit people still get stung.  I do have a suit stuffed away in a gobag in case I have to do a hive removal (from a wall or any other source that requires destruction) or if we ever have to do some sort of emergency work on a hive during bad weather.  And yes it is very possible to make a smoker from parts lying around.  My mentor has one made from two pieces of wood and a piece of leather for the bellows, and a couple of tin cans for the fire chamber.

[BeefBacon 1185]

You know what I meant :P

Sounds like he has an allergy, but even with a full suit people still get stung.  I do have a suit stuffed away in a gobag in case I have to do a hive removal (from a wall or any other source that requires destruction) or if we ever have to do some sort of emergency work on a hive during bad weather.  And yes it is very possible to make a smoker from parts lying around.  My mentor has one made from two pieces of wood and a piece of leather for the bellows, and a couple of tin cans for the fire chamber.

 

Yeah we keep antihistamines about now ;D

 

I think my dad has a proper brass(?) bellows so there's no need to make an improvised one. It's good to know they're relatively easy to make (they're pretty much just a little bellows so I guess they would be) so that's certainly promising for this sort of idea. Perhaps there could also be a bee suit (full or maybe just the hood) that reduces the ill-effects of gathering honey. Gloves and full-length trousers and shirt should also be necessary.

[IkaikaKekai 1957]

Yeah we keep antihistamines about now ;D

 

I think my dad has a proper brass(?) bellows so there's no need to make an improvised one. It's good to know they're relatively easy to make (they're pretty much just a little bellows so I guess they would be) so that's certainly promising for this sort of idea. Perhaps there could also be a bee suit (full or maybe just the hood) that reduces the ill-effects of gathering honey. Gloves and full-length trousers and shirt should also be necessary.

A smoker is very easy to make, but really you could just make a bundle of sticks and twigs, set it on fire and use the smoke from that.  Some of the Urban Beekeepers use liquid smoke in a spray bottle so they don't bother their neighbors or set of some fire alarm.

Baggy/thick clothing is usually preferred, my mentor checks the hives wearing a tank top and surf shorts, whereas I wear at least a t-shirt and pants.  Clothing color is a factor as well, darker colors put them on edge (most honey predators have dark fur), and lighter colors are also more visible to bees (I don't know exactly how it works, but the bees also see dark colors as a 'void' and will go straight for it, then panic when they find out it's solid and go into sting mode)

[emuthreat 2837]

 (I don't know exactly how it works, but the bees also see dark colors as a 'void' and will go straight for it, then panic when they find out it's solid and go into sting mode)

That would explain why the paper wasps always go for my sunglasses on those exterior painting jobs.  A house with less than five active nests in the summertime here is a rarity.

 

Gets me thinkin; if they add bees, why not wasps too?  The larvae are supposedly worth the trouble for bears to eat them.  Mostly it sounds more like a fun surprise that would really fit the survival aspect of the game.  Go looking for honey, but have a chance of wasting time and/or getting injured by wasps instead. 

[IkaikaKekai 1957]

That would explain why the paper wasps always go for my sunglasses on those exterior painting jobs.  A house with less than five active nests in the summertime here is a rarity.

 

Gets me thinkin; if they add bees, why not wasps too?  The larvae are supposedly worth the trouble for bears to eat them.  Mostly it sounds more like a fun surprise that would really fit the survival aspect of the game.  Go looking for honey, but have a chance of wasting time and/or getting injured by wasps instead. 

Could be it, but bees generally go for the eyes if they can find them anyway.  Ever get buzzed by a Bee (not a Wasp) near their hive back away slowly and squint (it works, trust me)

[emuthreat 2837]

Could be it, but bees generally go for the eyes if they can find them anyway.  Ever get buzzed by a Bee (not a Wasp) near their hive back away slowly and squint (it works, trust me)

I don't try to go near many bee hives.  I had a systemic allergic reaction to a hornet sting about 8 years ago.  As a consequence of the allergic reaction, and still having to work within inches of active nests, I'd learned a lot wasp behavior.

I've since been stung by wasps on the job twice since then with no problems, but I'm not exactly in a hurry to see if beestings are fine now too.  Totally different creatures, those bees and wasps. I did have fun on the hours-long wikipedia adventure that these bee threads have sent me on. 

[Fella1990 1]

Bees! Aside from the honey we could roll wax around string for candles, or rub it on to clothing to make it more water resistant. Or on gun barrels to reduce corrosion. Lots of awesome uses.

Maybe cultivating a hive in conjunction with your vege plot increases yield due to the extra pollination.

Maybe also infected are adverse to bees (instinctual, lines up with existing behaviour) and you could use hives as a deterrent.

[MrAerospace 87]

I don't try to go near many bee hives.  I had a systemic allergic reaction to a hornet sting about 8 years ago.  As a consequence of the allergic reaction, and still having to work within inches of active nests, I'd learned a lot wasp behavior.

I've since been stung by wasps on the job twice since then with no problems, but I'm not exactly in a hurry to see if beestings are fine now too.  Totally different creatures, those bees and wasps. I did have fun on the hours-long wikipedia adventure that these bee threads have sent me on. 

Hornet? Are you sure? With a name like emuthreat, I'd be worried that you were stung by a true hornet (Vespa spp.) in Australia, because they don't exist here. The word hornet is a catch all. The European Wasp (Vespula germanica) is often mistakenly called a hornet, and there's even a large native potter wasp called a hornet (Abispa ephippium). They all have fairly potent stings, though the toxins are so different that the Australian native's toxin is probably closer to that of a bull-ant.

 

You're right about wasps vs bees as well, completely different toxin again. Just don't go testing out our natives. Again, because of the whole evolution thing, they are totally independent from their European cousins, and the toxins are nothing alike. And, contrary to popular belief, most of them can sting, hard, and multiple times without killing themselves. (Funny thing about solitary bees...self sacrifice is a stupid idea.)

 

In terms of in-game implementation, it would be easier to model hive boxes rather than wild nests though. Could be fun if the player had little chance of actually getting honey. Most of the hives could be abandoned (leaving just some wax) or invaded by euro's (happy birthday, sucker). 

[emuthreat 2837]

Hornet? Are you sure? With a name like emuthreat, I'd be worried that you were stung by a true hornet (Vespa spp.) in Australia, because they don't exist here. The word hornet is a catch all. The European Wasp (Vespula germanica) is often mistakenly called a hornet, and there's even a large native potter wasp called a hornet (Abispa ephippium). They all have fairly potent stings, though the toxins are so different that the Australian native's toxin is probably closer to that of a bull-ant.

 

(snip)

I am about 95% sure that it was a Sandhill Hornet.  I'm in the US, BTW.  This thread is so old, that I've since learned all about assassin bugs in the meantime.

[MrAerospace 87]

Oops, well that just proves my point further. Even the US uses the name hornet for a whole bunch of different species!

 

Oh boy, the Reduviidae are some of the nastiest creatures I've ever known. My brother copped a fairly serious bite from one of these buggers, and lost a fair chunk of his calf muscle to the acid. That was almost a decade ago, and he's still got a rather impressive hollow spot in his leg!